Fix elections by banning mail-in ballots | Letter to the editor

Posted 11/19/20

I have a different approach to this election mess. Why does Election Day have to be on the first Tuesday of November? This is stupid!

Move it back to the first weekend of October. November can …

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Fix elections by banning mail-in ballots | Letter to the editor

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I have a different approach to this election mess. Why does Election Day have to be on the first Tuesday of November? This is stupid!

Move it back to the first weekend of October. November can have rough weather in the early part, with snowstorms, ice storms, etc. How many people in theirs 70s and 80s are going to go to the polls where they don’t have early mail-in voting?

Eliminate mail-in voting and the claims of fraud.

Most people work Monday through Friday, even in our 24/7 economy. Give the poll watchers a break. Polls should be open Saturday and Sunday from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. That gives people plenty of time to vote.

I was a poll inspector in New York, where I’m from. The hours were brutal: 6 a.m. to 9 p.m., all for a lousy hundred bucks. We can do better.

Motor-voter is absurd. Two years ago I got an enhanced driver’s license, for airline flights. You need three IDs; I provided a birth certificate, a 1099 income tax form, and a property tax bill. Naturalization citizenship form, or rental resident would also be OK.

Let’s straighten this out.

Michael Black
PORT TOWNSEND

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Justin Hale

I agree. Why not move the elections to the 4th of July? what better way to celebrate our Democracy.

You might find this interesting as it supports your views.(https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/01/07/five_states_face_federal_lawsuit_over_inaccurate_voter_registrations__142089.html#!)

Thursday, November 19
Marge samuelson

History strikes again. Lets clear this up. In Washington state we have been voting by mail since 2011, it has worked fine except for 2020 when Trump decided we all cheat. Before that you could request an absentee ballot (which Trump usually does), which I have when I would not be in JC during an election. I have been voting since I was 21 (born before 18 year old vote). I have never seen an election like this one.

"By 1792, federal law permitted each state to choose Presidential electors any time within a 34-day period[3] before the first Wednesday in December.[4] A November election was convenient because the harvest would have been completed but the most severe winter weather, impeding transportation, would not yet have arrived, while the new election results also would roughly conform to a new year. Tuesday was chosen as Election Day so that voters could attend church on Sunday, travel to the polling location (usually in the county seat) on Monday, and vote before Wednesday, which was usually when farmers would sell their produce at the market.[5] Originally, states varied considerably in the method of choosing electors. Gradually, states converged on selection by some form of popular vote." wiki

Thursday, November 19
Justin Hale

"In Washington state, we have been voting by mail since 2011, it has worked fine ".....I guess you think the Rossi/Gregoire election was flawless. Rossi won the vote, the recount but lost to Gregoire on a third count paid for by the Democrat party. I'd call that far from "flawless". There is a huge difference between absentee ballots, for a cause or no cause, and mail-in voting. Absentee ballots require the legally registered voter to submit a request for the ballot, as you did. Mail-in voting just automatically sends out ballots to everyone on the registration rolls, whether or not that person is still alive or still living in the state, this year a family member died and still we got a ballot. If you look at that link I posted you will see that mail-in voting is rife with problems.

Friday, November 20
Marge samuelson

The 2004 governors race between Gregoire and Rossi was before the mail in ballot was passed, like I said that was 2011. The process worked, Gregoire won by 129 votes. It only takes one. If it has been the other way around would you be citing this particular race?

Gregoire also won the governors seat in 2008 against Rossi by a margin of 53.2% to 46.8%.

Mail in Ballots were left to Counties to choose in 2005, in 2008, 38 out of 39 counties were voting by mail. this information comes from Washington State Vote by mail fact sheet.

That said, I was clarifying the history of why we vote on November 3rd.

We were an agrarian society for many years and a lot of our politics, such as voting in November and time changes in fall in spring were based on the farmers calendar.

If they decide to change when we vote it will probably be on a Saturday, as most working people don't work on Saturdays. Sundays would be out because there would be an outcry from the Religious element of our country.

Friday, November 20
Justin Hale

"If it has been the other way around would you be citing this particular race? ".....only if I were a partisan Republican which I am not, I may have voted for Gregoire, I really can't remember because I don't vote according to a political party. My point was that our elections are never "flawless" and mail-in voting just compounds the problems.

Saturday, November 21
Marge Samuelson

Well , I guess I disagree. what's new?

Saturday, November 21
Justin Hale

How can you possibly disagree? Do you really think that the mail-in system is flawless? even after I posted a story that proves that the registration rolls are faulty ? maybe you didn't bother to look. Not surprising, like Biden said "We choose truth over facts". To millions the immaculate conception is the truth. Fact is that mail-in voting has already been proven faulty. But you disagree?????

Saturday, November 21
Marge Samuelson

Yes I disagree. I think mail in ballots are the best way t o vote. I get my ballot, I get out my election pamphlet, I research on the internet, using not just your evil MSN (actually I don't look there) . I look at the argument for and the argument against. I talk to my family, we argue about different things and then we vote for who we think is best for the job. It may take a while, but it works. I believe our county auditor knows what there doing, they have never been questioned about how they count ballots. It's not an emotional process, it's actually a well thought out process. Slow thinking not Fast. And like I said before it has worked in our State since 2011. Don't try to make this about something its not. It has worked in many states.

Sunday, November 22
Justin Hale

M.S.

While mail-in voting may be convenient, to deny that it is without the potential for fraud/illegal voting, in the face of the evidence is just ignoring the facts. Do you really believe that not one error was made in the mail-in system? Throughout the entire 50 states and Millions of votes, not one mistake? only a fool would make such an assertion.

Biden was right when he said his followers choose truth over facts.

Sunday, November 22
Marge samuelson

I said I thought they were the best way to vote. I didn't say they were the perfect way to vote. Once again history shows that at least in Washington state the mail in ballots have a pretty good record. Even your calling out the Rossi-Gregoire 2004 recount, the system worked. It was close, but she did win.

Your always saying voter fraud, I know that's what the Republicans think but studies have shown over and over that the occurrence of voter fraud is very minimal, as to not make a difference in an election. [Brennan Center for Justice]

You have to understand, we've been doing this a long time. Trump can call a recount in as many states as he wants, if the vote was close that's his prerogative , Georgia taxpayers are paying for that one, so no money out of the Republican's pockets. Certification of state elections are announced by the Governor, chief election official or board of canvassers. These need to be done by December 14. Then the Electoral College meet in their respective states to vote for president.

They usually vote for the candidate with the most electoral votes. So far Biden wins that one.

Sunday, November 22
Justin Hale

M.S.

"Your always saying voter fraud, I know that's what the Republicans think but studies have shown over and over that the occurrence of voter fraud is very minimal,".....I don't care what the Republicans think, I think for myself. So are you admitting that voter fraud does exist? The next question is how much fraud? who knows?Can you give me a number? The question is not how many ballots were for x or y but were those ballots legally cast, and that is where the house of cards falls apart. I've already shown where the state of California and Los Angeles had over a million inelligible voters on it's registration rolls. (https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/california-and-los-angeles-county-to-remove-1-5-million-inactive-voters-from-voter-rolls-settle-judicial-watch-federal-lawsuit/)

Gregoire lost after the vote didn't go her way and lost again when the second count didn't go her way, but on the third count that the Democrat party paid for it went her way and she won. If that was OK by you for Gregoire why not for Trump? I'm not claiming that Trump won, not at all, just saying he has every right to follow whatever legal processes available to him.

Sunday, November 22
Marge Samuelson

Trump lost. The country is going through hell, have been for the last four years. You can paint this whatever color you want. Is Trump delusional, yes, is the Republican party complicit in this delusion? yes. But the people who are the most delusional are the religious fanatics who are convinced Trump is the second coming of , well you name it. Neoism, a movement of a group who think that we are missing the big picture, they worship Trump because, although he is flawed, he did finally find the right path.

Sounds a lot like a lot of groups that no longer care about truth.

Will be so glad when this is over, won't miss Trump or his minions. Catch him on his next "Reality Show"

Monday, November 23
David Thielk

What a waste of on line space. Total garbage - to divert the conversation from the voice of the people (we don't want Trump to be president and voted accordingly) to discussing problems with the election process in the US. Reality is reality. It is not mail in voting that defeated Trump. It is the fact that not only did he behave like a jerk, but his policies on climate change, abortion, foreign policy, etc. are not appreciated by the majority of Americans.

Gee, how it is that we are even having this conversation? Oh, I know, Trump has basically controlled the conversation in the media for the past 5 years, and continues to do so.

If the states had pushed for on line voting in because of the pandemic, Trump, and his followers would have screamed fraud and evil intent at that. In fact, Trump, and his blind faith followers have been maligning anything and everything that they can to build cohesiveness in their cult, oops, band of fantasizers. Because Trump lost the election, he and his merry band of blind faith followers are willing to fabricate any kind of reality to sow confusion and doubt, and otherwise undermine the structures of our nation. It is totally in line with his narcissistic personality; but at the same time it is damaging to the nation, and only serves to cripple and undermine the next president.

Justin writes: "I've already shown where the state of California and Los Angeles had over a million inelligible voters on it's registration rolls. (https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/california-and-los-angeles-county-to-remove-1-5-million-inactive-voters-from-voter-rolls-settle-judicial-watch-federal-lawsuit/)"

Every state has ineligible voters on their voter registration lists. It is their responsibility to update their voter registration lists according to state law. The fact that the voter registration lists need updating in no way implies fraud or that people are voting who shouldn't vote. Most of these registrations are people who have moved to a different county. Sadly, the Republicans and conservatives (of which Judicial Watch is part of) have done everything that they can in some some states to remove voters who have moved just prior to an election, giving them little opportunity to re register. While I recognize that keeping one's address up to date is important, is that any reason for someone to lose their right to vote for a national candidate? Is anyone surprised that voting registration lists all over the county need to be routinely updated? I am not. If you are Justin, then I would suggest you are living in some altered reality.

Thirdly, mail in voting is no more prone to fraud than on line voting, in person voting, digital voting (with the corporate sector providing the software). There are numerous states who have been using mail in voting for years; no one has screamed fraud until Trump lost the election.

Why don't we all simply accept that Trump behaved like an axxhole for the last 4 years. The majority of Americans did not approve. And the the vote played out so that Biden got the majority of the Electoral College votes. There has been no "fraud" uncovered (nor will there be) of any significance. Let's have the right conversation, and not be seduced by the cult.

Monday, November 23
Justin Hale

D.T

"Why don't we all simply accept that Trump behaved like an axxhole for the last 4 years.".....Why don't you get over your hatred for Trump? I've already said that Trump should move on. The issue of the security and integrity of our elections go way beyond Trump.

I believe that we should be aware of the problems that exist in our election system and try to fix them. Have you ever been contacted by any election official regarding your eligibility to vote, like do you still reside in the state?

"Unless an election official has received direct information from a voter that he or she has moved, the voter will typically be moved to an “inactive” status rather than removed from the list entirely. A voter who is inactive through two federal elections can be removed from the list." (https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-list-accuracy.aspx)

Does double voting exist ?(https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/double-voting.aspx#:~:text=Voter%20registration%20in%20multiple%20states%20is%20not%20itself,state%20does%20not%20define%20%E2%80%9Cvoting%20more%20than%20once.%E2%80%9D)

Monday, November 23
David Thielk

And why would I want to "get over" the damage that Trump has caused to our government, our trust and faith in democracy, and the integrity of the vote, his insults (from crooked Hillary to the birther lies), his undoing of environmental protection?

And why would I want to "get over" his scorched earth policy that he has begun to implement since he lost the election? He is doing everything in is power to cripple or limit the success of the next administration. I personally will not forget, or "get over" the fact that the Republican leadership has looked the other way for four years, while Trump used the nation for his own purposes. the reason is that if I "get over" or forget what he, and the Republican leadership has done (including folks such as yourself), who refused to publicly state that Trump's behavior was destructive, divisive and not worthy of a president, then it could happen again.

The Republican Party is on the line. They have a long ways to go before establishing trust again with the majority of USA voters.

Monday, November 23
Justin Hale

D.T.

Fine, enjoy your btiching and moaning.

Monday, November 23
David Thielk

Justin, you have long exhibited in these pages an inability to distinguish between between ideological responses (bitching and moaning) and critical analysis.

Monday, November 23